Warning: Hurricane Sandy flood cars may surface in Canada
By Steve Mertl for MSN Autos
Chances are you wouldn’t buy a car if you knew it’d had a brief, involuntary stint as a submarine, but a warning is out that someone might soon try to sell you one.
The Insurance Corp. of British Columbia (ICBC), the province’s publicly-owned auto insurer, is warning Canada could see a flood of vehicles for sale that were submerged in the storm surge created by Hurricane Sandy in October.
ICBC is piggybacking on an alert issued by the American Association of Motor Vehicle Administrators, which put out an announcement this week warning buyers to expect flood-damaged vehicles from the U.S. East Coast to start showing up for sale in other states for sale, titling and registration.
ICBC says flood-damaged vehicles can be extremely unsafe to drive because water — especially corrosive seawater — can compromise the electronic and computer systems that control every major system in a modern car, from the engine to steering, brakes and airbags.
Not only that, the cars could be contaminated by bacteria and unknown toxins from the mix of storm water and sewage from overloaded drainage systems. What’s more, Canadians have seen this problem before.
"More than half a million vehicles were seriously damaged in the flooding caused by Hurricanes Katrina and Rita (in 2005) and thousands were imported into Canada despite the fact that those vehicles are not legal to drive on our roads," Mary Polak, B.C. minister of transportation and infrastructure, said in an ICBC news release.
"Because the safety of motorists is our top priority, several steps have been taken to prevent these vehicles from being registered in B.C. but we want to help protect British Columbians from purchasing them in the first place."
Transport Canada's registrar of imported vehicles (RIV) program provides the status of vehicles as shown on their U.S. titles, and that information is made available to all licensing jurisdictions in Canada, ICBC said.
"Flood damaged vehicles will be assigned a 'non-repairable' status and will not qualify for on-road use in Canada," said the insurer.
But unscrupulous sellers have ways of concealing a damaged or written-off vehicle’s history through “title washing,” which can include moving vehicles to states with less stringent record-keeping rules or replacing vehicle-identification numbers.
According to CarFax, the privately operated vehicle-history database, cars from hurricanes Katrina, Rita and Wilma are still showing up for sale across the country.
ICBC spokesperson Lindsay Olsen said no Sandy-damaged vehicles have shown up in British Columbia yet, "but we would expect them to first arrive in Ontario, Quebec or New Brunswick due to proximity."
Olsen said ICBC believes less than a hundred vehicles damaged by Rita and Katrina ended up in B.C. thanks to rules to prevent them from being registered.
"That being said, if a U.S. vehicle was flood damaged in a storm, and the vehicle wasn't given a flood-damaged vehicle title by the state, these vehicles couldn't be identified as flood vehicles,” said Olsen.
ICBC urges vehicle shoppers to examine prospective purchases closely, testing all the electrics, looking for things like signs rust or mud in places you wouldn’t expect to find it, like in HVAC vents, the glove box or under the seats or dash, and looking for a telltale dirty waterline mark under the hood.
A professional vehicle inspection is also recommended, along with researching its history on Carfax or Canadian-based CarProof, both of which now have online flood-damage tools.
The best guarantee of not getting a Sandy survivor, the insurer says, is to buy from a licensed dealer who’s required to research and disclose a vehicle’s potentially murky past.
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Posted by: john Morris | 2012-12-06 5:19:10 AM
"The best guarantee of not getting a Sandy survivor, the insurer says, is to buy from a licensed dealer who’s required to research and disclose a vehicle’s potentially murky past". Not true, I bought a used 95 Impala ss from a reputable gm dealer in Toronto the late 90`s, found out on my own later that it had a salvage title., they never told me squat.
Posted by: canuck901 | 2012-12-06 8:07:35 AM
I wouldn't trust any licensed dealer, run a carfax and carproof or ask the dealer to provide one.
I would buy a salvage tittle as long as the vehicle was repaired properly and inspected.
I would not buy a flood vehicle though!
Posted by: Dale Desjardins | 2012-12-06 8:47:48 AM
Yeah whats new . This is Canada and the Canadian government allows this , just like they allow all asian companies to dump their junk in Canada . Why because canadiens will buy it . uy what your neighbours build buy Canadien .
Posted by: Dave | 2012-12-06 10:16:52 AM
You can trust a licensed dealer that has a good reputation. Always go to a dealer that a friend recommends, and a salesperson that a friend recommends. Also you can ask for a copy of the title search the dealer did...it is printed on paper and in their file. It is already done and easy to see. Ask them to white out the previous owners name for privacy, but it will show you insurance claims (accidents and repairs including natural disasters) paid for by insurance companies.
Posted by: Anthony | 2012-12-06 10:51:16 AM
Canuck901 - Keep your hands off ANY salvage vehicle. And I mean any. When it comes right down to it, the descretion of the mechanic slapping a safety on the vehicle calls what's safe and what isn't. Plus he/she is human. They can easily miss a twisted frame, weld spots, corrosion mistaken for "surface rust", etc. etc. etc. Not to mention the vehicle has no value associated with it anymore, and if one were to be purchased, I wish the owner the best of luck in trying to sell it later.
Dale Desjardins - Said like a true ignorant moron who can't read and/or interpret an article properly. In my view, the article sung the praises of motor vehicle administrators in Canada, and its actually much worse in the USA than here. But of course, the laws in Quebec governing vehicle safety are so screwed up, it makes the USA's standards look God-like.
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